P4 Vintage Challenge Series 2012

[Pat Nicholson]

RACE have agreed to run the P4 Vintage Challenge at 3 of their events in 2012.
In order to decide at which of the RACE Events the Challenge races will be run, RACE wants to hear from our P4 Challenge Racers to prevent any possible conflicts. Interested riders contact Chris Chapelle or catch him at the Supershow.
VRRA will continue to provide the P4 Challenge at each of our events during the season. This would mean 7 races in the P4 Challenge Series.
RACE licenses will be required for their RACE races. Send in your RACE license application before the end of the year to get your free test day.
RACE will be putting their 2012 schedule out in the next few days.
Pat

[Colin Duncan]

Right on!!!!

Seven race series, would that imply points and year end trophies?

The 7 iron is going to get a work out in 2012.
Who else is in?

[zonit]

might just have to ride the 600 again

[John Crossley]

Sounds like fun to me

[jim kots]

What bikes are eligible for the P4 Challenge through RACE? Is it the same bikes as VRRA P4 or do they have a different set of bikes to bring to the track?

[D Nuts]

Chris Chapelle told me that the rules would mirror VRRA

[jim kots]

What is the "Challenge"? Is it VRRA vs RACE same machinery for both or VRRA P4 (cut off 1992) vs RACE Vintage machinery (rolling 10 year cut off)?

[racerdude413]

What is the "Challenge"? Is it VRRA vs RACE same machinery for both or VRRA P4 (cut off 1992) vs RACE Vintage machinery (rolling 10 year cut off)?

No the challenge is simply the same races we have for the VRRA P4 vintage challenge, but 3 of the RACE rounds will count for a championship (so its a 7 race serie).

[jim kots]

Thanks Dom!

[jim kots]

Can a P3H bike enter this challenge?

[jim kots]

This race is open to any VRRA member with any VRRA legal machine at VRRA events.

Has Chris outlined what RACE will allow to compete at their events?

Jim

[brian-d #43]

It was my understanding that the P-4 Challenge was a race for P-4 machinery ONLY. No bump ups from older period bikes as this was a race put on the schedule to give the P-4 riders a second race because they had no where to bump into. I would appreciate a confirmation from someone on the Executive as to whether this interpretation has changed or not.

Brian D. #43

[Motoshire747]

Yes we certainly need clarification and less speculation on this site. Brian is correct, that is the way it was run 2 years ago. Personally, I don't understand why you would limit it to P4 bikes only, RACE should have it on there first RACE weekend and if you make that with your P3 bike you should be allowed to race the VRRA VC.

Now at RACE weekends any Vintage bike should be allowed to run IMHO. RACE doesn't really care and based on the last 4 years you will never get a full Vintage grid anyway, and they need the racers...

[racerdude413]

Yes we certainly need clarification and less speculation on this site. Brian is correct, that is the way it was run 2 years ago. Personally, I don't understand why you would limit it to P4 bikes only, RACE should have it on there first RACE weekend and if you make that with your P3 bike you should be allowed to race the VRRA VC.

Now at RACE weekends any Vintage bike should be allowed to run IMHO. RACE doesn't really care and based on the last 4 years you will never get a full Vintage grid anyway, and they need the racers...

100% any vintage bike was ok at RACE rounds and 2 years ago when Brian was competition coordinator only P4 bikes could enter the P4 challenge at VRRA events.

I don't know if this was changed or not but that's the way it was when I beat that Hoffarth guy for the championship with my small girly bike

[Stephen Szikora]

I hate to be the one to point this out and I have no vested interest in these events or classes but ... we seem to rely very heavily on the "spirit and intent" clause in paragraph 1c of the rule book. The general scheme of the rules is to set out a MAXIMUM model year for each class, not a MINIMUM model year. Within each period are a set of restrictions applicable to that period. The only restriction is a ban on bumping to a higher displacement class within the period. Additionally, there are some references to equivalency of classes when bumping between periods (i.e. P3 to P4.) However, the fact remains, absent a very broad interpretation of "spirit and intent," there is no ban on bumping between any periods. It is the ability to fit within the rules of a specific class that defines a bike as a period bike, not the model year, and it is fully within the rules that an earlier bike could also be classed as a later period bike. In fact, it might ONLY be classed as a later period bike if it has been built to a standard that meets those requirements and not the earlier period ones (for example, a 1967 model built with disc brakes would be in P2.) Anyway ... I'm just saying ...